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sull — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:34:22 +0000

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I need a Domain Name Server with a REST interface (Scripting News)

sull — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:38:17 +0000

Dave,

Rackspace would like to offer you some comped slices on Slicehost for your dev work. That will give you a RESTful interface to both compute and DNS, including TXT record manipulation. If you are interested, please e-mail me at erik.carlin at rackspace.com.

Regards,

Erik

via I need a Domain Name Server with a REST interface (Scripting News).

I need a Domain Name Server with a REST interface (Scripting News)

sull — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 03:35:19 +0000

In response to Dave’s request, looks like Henri from Telnic is going to work on a RESTful API for .tel.
This is cool because even though I got SOAP working, i prefer to use REST.
About a month ago, I secured the rsscloud.tel domain for the community as an initial identity system to experiment with.

I also wanted to note that Dreamhost has an API with some DNS hooks:

http://wiki.dreamhost.com/Api#dns-add_record

brad’s life – On PubSubHubbub and rssCloud …

sull — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 03:21:37 +0000

some tech drama around rssCloud and PuSHB. Related posts:RSSCloud Vs. PubSubHubbub: Why The Fat Pings Win Is rssCloud All Wet? Lazyfeed blog: Lazyfeed will integrate RSSCloud and run faster. Related posts:

HowTo: Proposed change 9/13/09 – domain param

sull — Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:46:45 +0000

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SOAP meets RSS

sull — Sun, 13 Sep 2009 06:42:01 +0000

early (2001) rssCloud summary from Dave Winer Related posts:A Good Day for RSS and the Open Web rssCloud.org & WordPress.com are United What’s in the next release of River2 (Scripting News) Related posts:

A Secure Protocol for Desktop Web Servers

sull — Sun, 13 Sep 2009 06:16:09 +0000

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Real-Time Web Protocol PubSubHubbub Explained

Tornado (Scripting News)

sull — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:11:11 +0000

Dave is interested in Tornado + rssCloud.
It’s a good mix.
I’ve been tinkering with comet (long polling) with rssCloud and desktop app frameworks like Titanium and also Prism and Fluid. nice effect.

What we could use is a simple push-button deployment of Tornado servers, community-owned/shared.

In fact, this whole de-centralized real-time open web movement could benefit from a sort of new or existing foundation. Though that might be a bit too forward thinking?
Regardless… these are interesting times for the open web.

Tornado (Scripting News).

Subscribing To RSS Cloud Feeds Via .TEL Domains – Educer

sull — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:34:48 +0000

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Thinking about Growl, Fluid and rssCloud

sull — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:42:40 +0000

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thinking about Opera Unite + rssCloud

sull — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 03:43:48 +0000

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Is rssCloud All Wet?

sull — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 03:37:43 +0000

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thinking about HTML 5 Web Sockets + rssC…

sull — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 23:50:35 +0000

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Dark Clouds Wanted

sull — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 18:40:20 +0000

Posts like this one are important now that rssCloud has gained some spotlight time.

http://workbench.cadenhead.org/news/3555/theres-reason-rsscloud-failed-catch

This is good because it fleshes out important issues and realities. I personally think that Aggregators that live in the cloud (ie. Google Reader, Brizzly, LazyFeed) are the first to benefit from real-time protocols since they do not have the firewall related issues that a local desktop application may have in communicating with cloud hubs on certain ports.

Cloud-based RSS Readers are fine with me. I have not used a desktop app for RSS in a long time. But regardless, it’s important as it relates to the crop of twitter clients that may end up supporting real-time RSS and most twitter users use these apps as opposed to web apps.

I have more info and thoughts to share but short on time today. Will continue this soon and I hope more posts like the one I have referenced bubble up soon.

A Good Day for RSS and the Open Web

sull — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 05:40:15 +0000

Today, rssCloud was enabled on millions of WordPress.com blogs. And now aggregators and pingable hubs will follow to add support. This is perfect because now their is no risk that rssCloud will be ignored and forgotten except for a select group of adopters. I knew that Dave Winer would carry this project and forge it ahead. I’m glad that it won’t be overshadowed by the other cool protocol backed by Google (PubSubHubBub). Likewise, I want other protocols to get proper attention and adoption moving forward (OpenMicroBlogging, Fethr/Gossip etc.).

No wars here. It’s all good. If the Open Web benefits, then everyone wins. Well, except for those who want to control the Massive Rapid Data moving in the cloud. That is to say… they won’t benefit unless they choose to benefit. And they can and they should. And they will?

I’m glad that i’ve supported rssCloud since earlier this summer (http://nudg.es) when Dave Winer started to reboot the concept, especially after PubSubHubBub came about. It inspired me to take a close historical look at the origins of RSS and related technologies. I’ve used RSS since it’s inception and more so back in 2004 when I helped to launch ourmedia.org which had deep emphasis on RSS for video and audio blogs and making use of the enclosure element (podcasting). We early adopted the new Media RSS spec that was lead by Yahoo to provide more enhanced feeds. And the videoblogging movement really latched onto the concept of RSS and I was at the heart of those pioneering days. So RSS is very familiar and very awesome. I love it.

In the past year+ I have been very interested in the topic of Scaling Twitter. It was the result of Twitter’s technical problems that Open MicroBlogging became a focus of technologists/developers/students. An OpenMicroBlogging protocol was introduced and a twitter clone built on that protocol was launched (identi.ca/status.net). Other proposed protocols and ideas started sprouting as students and professionals weighed in.

Point being… The incredible growth of Twitter put much needed focus back on balancing data control. By that I mean…. Not putting all our eggs in one basket. Not having centralized services at the heart of the web. Not getting drunk on the hype of these new social net brands and their features. Getting back to basics, and back to our blogs. Dusting off some old tech and upgrading the de-centralized web. Speeding up RSS with rssCloud is an important step in this direction.

It’s great that we have our Facebook, Twitter, Google, Microsoft, and Apple. But the Open Web needs to evolve too and cannot be mostly dismissed by a small group of Tech Giants who re-invent the wheel, disgard standards and limit their open data policies. Their services are ours to leverage, not to sell our souls to. Obviously, this speaks more to content creators than it does to those who are primarily content consumers. But it benefits everyone. Because at any point, someone can decide to become a more serious content creator, setup a website and a blog and off you go. To have a strong and stable Open Web to go to that competes and coexists with any proprietary offerings with terms & conditions is critical.

So what’s so important about The Real-Time Web? That’s another blog post. But the quick reply is… If you like getting Email in timely manner, then you will like The Real-Time Web.

Here are some of today’s blog posts on the news of rssCloud + WordPress.com integration:

http://www.scripting.com/stories/2009/09/07/teaseTeaseTease.html

http://www.scripting.com/stories/2009/09/07/anyWordPressBlogCanBeCloud.html

http://en.blog.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/rss-in-the-clouds/

http://staynalive.com/articles/2009/09/07/dave-winer-to-bring-realtime-rss-to-millions-via-wordpress-com/

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/wordpress_just_made_millions_of_blogs_real-time_wi.php

http://blog.lazyfeed.com/2009/09/lazyfeed-will-integrate-rsscloud-and.html

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/09/07/wordpress-enables-rsscloud-in-post-feeds/

http://mashable.com/2009/09/07/rsscloud/

Oh and maybe you’de be curious to know how I found out about todays news?
I actually had hopped into the FIRST rssCLoud enabled aggregator/publisher that was not properly mentioned in any of the above posts The service I speak of is at http://MyStatusCloud.com and is being developed by Jeremy Felt (@jeremyfelt). His blog is at http://www.educer.org/2009/09/07/its-all-happening/.
He has been in 5th gear playing around with the concept of rssCloud and I think he has done a great job implementing it. Take a look and try it out yourself!

Lazyfeed blog: Lazyfeed will integrate RSSCloud and run faster.

sull — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 03:24:32 +0000

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Twitter / Dave Winer: It’s pretty amazing. I fee …

sull — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 20:50:00 +0000

Twitter / Dave Winer: It’s pretty amazing. I fee ….

rssCloud.org & WordPress.com are United

sull — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 20:36:23 +0000

Good news! It appears that WordPress.com blogs/feeds now support rssCloud. http://www.scripting.com/stories/2009/09/07/teaseTeaseTease.html This is a big deal. Will ellaborate more on this soon. Thanks Dave Winer and Matt Mullenweg! Related posts:RSSCloud For WordPress @ Joseph Scott A Good Day for RSS and the Open Web What’s in the next release of River2 (Scripting News) Related posts:

Watch next week what @davewiner does with RSS… – Robert Scoble – FriendFeed

sull — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 03:33:12 +0000

Watch next week what @davewiner does with RSS… – Robert Scoble – FriendFeed. Related posts:So let me get this straight. RSS is dead because… – Louis Gray – FriendFeed cute video by the friendfeed folks using… Twitter / Dave Winer: It’s pretty amazing. I fee … Related posts:

Publish, Ping, Subscribe Away With My Status Cloud (You Can Change Settings Now) – Educer

sull — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:15:13 +0000

Nice rssCloud updates on My Status Cloud, Jeremy! Publish, Ping, Subscribe Away With My Status Cloud (You Can Change Settings Now) – Educer. Related posts:Subscribing To RSS Cloud Feeds Via .TEL Domains – Educer When Did Facebook Remove RSS for Friends’ Status Updates? | Stay N’ Alive The Internet is about to change « blog [...] Related posts:

conversations in the cloud

sull — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:08:52 +0000

One of the issues of a loosely interconnected network of micro-messages is how to handle conversation threads (aka @replies).

On Twitter, it is easy since that is a centralized service. It started as an ad hoc @ symbol in front of usernames which is how it is often done elsewhere such as IRC. Twitter formalized the functionality and enhanced it with inReplyTo so if a reply link is clicked (as opposed to just arbitrarily typing @username) the thread can be properly constructed so others can view it in context. In other discussion systems like Blogs and Forums, it’s obviously baked into the software. Not so in the decentralized rssCloud network.

Let me also point out that their will be variations to what is published and how it is published with support for rssCloud. The initial focus for me and I think others is on microblogging. These posts can technically be created from any software (like WordPress, Drupal, TypePad etc) or from any other system that generates an RSS feed (ie. any twitter clone or open microblogging software such as laconica etc) which all can contain a reference to an rssCloud hub. That means, it is feasible that a comment system will already exist on a permalink page for each post. This can be considered the answer to my question. But I want to look at this from a more raw perspective. One that does not yet involve such aforementioned publishing software with comment systems and permalinks. I want to focus solely on the RSS feed as the only source of content. In fact, this is how my prototype currently works at http://nudg.es. It is an email based RSS feed generator with support for rssCloud. I want to think about how two such feeds can reference each other’s items with comment text.

So let’s setup a scenario. Two people have their rssCloud feeds loaded with several short messages. It would be nice to rely on using just the web to view a nice direct output of the feed using XSLT (see nudg.es feeds in Firefox) but being unreliable across all browsers, let’s assume the feed is being viewed in a specialized application such as Google Reader or some other RSS aggregator software. I see a post that I want to reply to in the rssCloud feed. Let’s say the feed url is http://myrsscloudfeeds.org/johnsmith/mobile. It’s a short message with a photo attached (enclosure) sent from John Smith’s phone. I like the picture and want to comment on it from my RSS aggregator. How do i do it? How do I associate my short message reply to John’s short message?

So to reiterate, all we have is a feed inside something like Google Reader being read by someone who wants to reply to one of the feed items. How do we get it done? One curious thought I have had involves the RSS channel sub-element called “textInput”. Here are reference links:

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/rss/rss.html#lttextinputgtSubelementOfLtchannelgt

http://www.w3schools.com/rss/rss_tag_textinput.asp

As it states, it is basically support for a simple form submission. Dave Winer noted at the time of writing (~2001) the following:

The purpose of the element is something of a mystery. You can use it to specify a search engine box. Or to allow a reader to provide feedback. Most aggregators ignore it.

Can this be used for handling conversations across the rssCloud network? Possibly. Let’s delve into it’s potential for a minute.

First we need to keep in mind that this is a CHANNEL sub-element so it’s not associated with each ITEM. Originally, I thought that killed the idea of using this for decentralized @replies but then i felt that…. if a new breed of RSS aggregators need to sprout in order to properly support stuff like rssCloud, then it’s ok to expect these aggregators to support anything that is deemed useful and certainly stuff that is part of the RSS 2.0 spec. So if an aggregator, such as Dave’s own River2, can support the “mysterious” textInput element then things could get interesting. Here is what I am thinking…..

An rssCloud feed can define a base form handler url in the channel textInput element. The form handler would likely be a self-hosted open source script but could also use a cloud service where the script is hosted (another discussion). The form could/should be aware of the feed info and could/should possibly also be aware of the subscriber info (ie. rss url, username etc). Again, this depends on how smart the agregator software is (ie. Google Reader, River2, Web UI etc). Since this is a base url, the script would need some required data passed to it so that it knows what feed/item this comment/reply is referring to. The form handler url would need to be appended with parameters such as the item guid or some other means to identify the item that is being replied to. So, the aggregator would take the base url specified in the feed’s textInput link element and use that as part of a “reply” feature that would likely be exposed in the UI as a “reply” hyperlink next to each feed item. The link would be appended with the item guid + feed channel link, author, managingEditor or other combination of feed data to make sure it is a unique global identifier.

If the subscriber wants to add a comment but does not have their own rssCloud feed/blog then they can login to twitter or facebook or some other preferred centralized service to post the reply. If the subscriber has their own rssCloud feed then they can opt to post the reply to their feed and have it be associated to another feed’s item. It can possibly use the RSS “comments” element to point back to the feed item. How exactly that url would be handled and formatted needs to be discussed but let’s focus on one thing at a time.

Their are other details and of course plenty of discourse to be had around these approaches. But the key is to not have to rely on a centralized service for cross-feed conversations and to also not mandate that certain blogging/CMS software be used in order to achieve this commenting system.
The only software that should be used is a simple form handler script that adheres to RSS standards and facilitates the reply posts accordingly. This could be a role for the rssCloud hubs with the option of self-hosting the form handler app (maybe as a failover/fallback etc.).

What other ideas do people have on this topic?
Please punch holes as I know this has only touched on the surface.

Thanks.

Sull

What’s in the next release of River2 (Scripting News)

sull — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:06:38 +0000

Look forward to using Dave Winer’s River2 RSS Aggregator. What’s in the next release of River2 (Scripting News). Related posts:RSS has no Fail Whale (Scripting News) Tornado (Scripting News) I need a Domain Name Server with a REST interface (Scripting News) Related posts: